A Conversation with Emily Rapp Black

My 8-year-old daughter recently returned to in-person schooling, and it feels like the sun is shining a little bit brighter. Maybe it's also the spring blossoms reaching their peak bloom.

Or maybe, it was the great opportunity I had to dive into the creative deep with Emily Rapp Black, author of the New York Times bestselling memoir The Still Point of the Turning World about parenting a terminally ill child. Her new memoir, Sanctuary, examines resilience and what has sustained her after the loss. We talk about everything from the pitfalls of memoir to blowing up some longstanding myths about the creative process.

For Emily, writing is an act of service. It seems so obvious, but I've never heard it said quite as simply as that. Our stories are offerings to the world.


Emily Rapp Black is the author of Poster Child: A Memoir and The Still Point of the Turning World. A former Fulbright scholar, she was educated at Harvard University and has been the recipient of both the James A. Michener and Guggenheim fellowships.

She is a regular contributor to The New York Times Book Review and frequently publishes scholarly work in the fields of disability studies, bioethics, and theological studies. She is currently associate professor of creative writing at the University of California-Riverside, where she also teaches medical narratives in the School of Medicine.

 

Emily's new memoir, Sanctuary, is an attempt to unpack the various notions of resilience that we carry as a culture. Drawing on contemporary psychology, neurology, etymology, literature, art, and self-help, she shows how we need a more complex understanding of this concept when applied to stories of loss and healing and overcoming the odds, knowing that we may be asked to rebuild and reimagine our lives at any moment, and often when we least expect it.

"A meticulous examination of the aftershocks of the loss of a child.... A searing, uncompromising effort to wrestle with permanent grief." -Kirkus Reviews

 
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KARIN GUTMAN: You write a lot about grief. I think we’re all writing about loss in some way. Story is about change, moving from what we once knew to something new and different, and inherent in that is a kind of loss, right?

EMILY RAPP BLACK: That’s a great way to describe it actually.

KARIN: The kind of loss you’re writing about, child loss, is a particularly painful one. How do you take care of yourself through the writing process?

EMILY: I think for me, actually the writing itself is what helps take care of me. That to me has always been the thing that provides the solace.

When my son was diagnosed with Tay-Sachs, all I wanted to do was write. That's always been the engine of comfort. So, I guess I don't feel like I have to protect myself because I feel the writing itself is doing that for me by creating a container, however incomplete or full of holes, for the experience.

KARIN: Are there days when you don't feel like showing up to the page?

EMILY: Sure. I mean, I don't write every day. I think a man came up with that idea.

KARIN: It's a total myth, right?

EMILY: I had a teacher in grad-school, who said, “Write every day from eight to 12,” and I'm like, yeah, because you have a wife who brings you food and takes care of you. Even if you don't have children or don't want children, women are busy, women do more than men, it's the way it is. So, I write in 10-minute blocks. Sometimes I get a bee in my bonnet, as my mom would say, and then I'm kind of on a roll, but I'm a feast or famine writer. I'm not the steady as it goes builder of books. I think I wrote half of Sanctuary in two weeks when I was in a writing colony because I had the time!

KARIN: With Still Point of the Turning World, were you writing it in real-time as the events of your life were happening?

EMILY: Yeah, it was started as a blog, which is something I never thought I would do. It was my friend who said I wasn't answering the phone or responding to text. She said, “We're worried… why don't I set up this public reading space and then your friends can know that you're not leaping off a building somewhere.” I started doing it, and it gave me a concrete thing to do and a place to put it. So that book started as a huge blog that was live time, that I was writing on almost every day. And then I cut it down considerably for the book.

KARIN: How did you go about shaping this mound of clay into an actual book?

EMILY: With help is the answer. First, my agent edits a lot of my stuff. She’ll say “Why is this 3,000 pages?” like “What's wrong with you?” And then she'll send it to my editor, and the editor that I work with, Andrea Walker at Random House, is like my soul-spirit-intellectual-animal person. When I met her, I thought, Oh my God, you are my person.

Editors are vital. I don't write in a linear way, and I like that. I think most people’s memories and lives are not linear in any respect. But I do need help in shaping. I had this whole chapter about action movies, and I was really attached to it. My editor said, “We're not putting this in the book. Stop it.”

When I'm working with an editor at a [traditional publishing] house, I'm willing to make concessions, because they are working with me to put something in the world. I'm not one of those people who's like, “Oh, I'm attached this artistic moment.” If it's not going to work for the majority of readers, then no one's going to read it, and then why am I doing this? So, it's having a team of people that you really trust.

KARIN: You said that every book has its own life, and that it's hard to predict at the beginning. With your most recent book, Sanctuary, what did you know for sure from the start?

EMILY: When you lose anyone, especially when you lose a child, people's platitudes are just offensive. So, I thought: I want to tell the truth about how hard this was. I was adamantly not going to write about Ronan's death in the first book, because I felt he was still alive. And it was important to me that that book ends with him still alive. But then people kept saying to me, “It's great that he had a peaceful death.” I thought: No one gets that. Don't sugarcoat this shit. So, I wrote his death scene, because that sucked. I did tons of preparation for it. Still sucked.

And then also how strange it is to have a child that wouldn't have existed had my other child not died. And how is it to explain that to her. She gets it in some sense, she knows about Ronan. We say the word die. We don't say passed, we don't say gone to a better place. We certainly don't say he went to heaven, because I don't believe that. I don't want her to believe it either.

I really bristle anytime somebody tries to put me in a metaphorical box. And I think: No, actually my truth of this experience is this. It's not something that’s going to fit on a crochet circle or a felt banner. That's not going to work.

KARIN: Is there a discovery process as you’re writing?

EMILY: Yeah. It was like pulling together certain childhood memories that connected to the live-time story that I was telling. Stuff I’d forgotten about. I think writing about life is kind of like that. Memories that you didn't think really had any traction in your current life, do. It's finding the points of connection, the magnetic connection.

KARIN: You say this book is about resilience, and examining what sustained you after Ronan’s death. What did you discover about resilience?

EMILY: It's not at all the way we use it in common vernacular. It's not about strength, or it's a different kind of strength. I think Americans, especially, understand strength as powering through—a lot of bravado, never give up, like push. But resilience is not that, it's about breaking to bend. You can't be resilient if you can't bend and break.

So, to me, it was a real a gift to understand the world is less about this grit, and being synonymous with the aggressive form of strength, and more about allowing and reshaping around it. Without saying, "I've overcome my problems, and now ‘Yay’." That's stupid. People kept telling me, “Oh, now you got your life back.” And I thought: I never didn't have my life. I'm still alive. I was alive when my son was sick.

There's no leaping over the fence into a better life. It doesn't work that way. A lot of memoirs, I think, tend to propagate that myth.

KARIN: You are re-defining and re-framing the language we use that isn't accurate to the experience. I find that incredibly empowering.

EMILY: I always tell students, if you're having trouble thinking about what to write, choose a word that you hear a lot and then look up its roots. So for resilience, the Latin root is resilien, which is the stuff that's in butterfly wings that holds it together, the sticky stuff, these proteins. Butterflies can fly through wind, which is pretty strong, but you could tear its wings. That is resilience. Vulnerability and strength combined. That's why the central image of butterflies is one of the primary images of the book—not because I love butterflies so much, but because they illustrate this combo of strength and vulnerability.

KARIN: How do you work with your students who are writing memoir?

EMILY: Well, I do a lot of prompts. I think a lot of it is just providing structure and saying, “Write about this for five or 10 minutes.” Time under tension. That's really helpful, I think, just to execute one thing within the timeframe. Because otherwise you think: Where do I start? Right?

KARIN: It can be overwhelming.

EMILY: Yeah, it's totally overwhelming. So, I use a lot of generative exercises especially with people who are just starting out. But when people come to me with a full-length manuscript, then it's more of an editorial. Where's the beginning? Where's the end?

KARIN: What common pitfalls do you notice in memoir manuscripts?

EMILY: Memoirs tend to have what I like to call the tyranny of the “and then.” And then this happened, and then this happens… it’s like, oh my God, I don't care. It has to have a beautiful gesture of opening, and it has to take a shape that isn't going to shock your reader—or maybe it will—but it's going to surprise them even if they know what's going to happen. There has to be tension, there has to be a story. There has to be a ‘why’, like why are we writing this? Who is it for?

Also, people think that they must put in everything that's happened to them. And that's a mistake. You don't have to have a terrible life to write a memoir, but you have to artistically construct it so that the reader is engaged with language, propulsion, and the plot. There has to be a plot, the characters have to be well-defined. The place has to be rendered.

People, especially when they write memoir, forget that they have a body. You have to have sensory details, concrete details. Where are you in space and time? Are we on the moon? One of the benefits I've taken from reluctantly teaching fantasy to undergraduates, which is applicable to memoir, is world building. So now I call it world building, rather than setting the stage. The world is your house, your mind, your bedroom, your body, your closet, whatever. You can't just start telling us things about your life without concretizing them in the world.

KARIN: How do you think about your audience?

EMILY: If I hadn't written Still Point, I would have killed myself. There's just no other way to say it. Writing the book is what kept me going with some kind of meaning and purpose that wasn't just dread and sadness and the fucking horrible grief and guilt. It was the only thing that was happy. So, I had no idea who the audience would be and didn't even think there would be one, which was kind of great. I didn't care. I did what I wanted, and it turned out to be something that I was proud of and that felt meaningful to me.

With Sanctuary, I think a lot of people have the experience of rebuilding their life many times throughout their lives. I think there's this myth that once you've got it all settled, then everything's great. That's just not true. So, the audience was intended to be broader, and it's also a more complicated book, so people are going to bring more complicated feelings to the page. With Still Point, it's really hard to quibble with a writer who is writing about their dying child. But Sanctuary has had a different reception, which is satisfying to me, because it means that it's pissing some people off. And I think that's actually good.

KARIN: Do you have a particular reader in mind when you write?

EMILY: No. I definitely am thinking how to shape the story so that it matters to someone apart from me, but when I first do it, I'm just trying to figure it out. But I think a lot of the ‘why’ of writing—who's my audience, why am I writing this—that processing needs to happen off the page. I don't want to process with my reader why I'm writing this.

I really see writing as an act of service. If it's going to serve somebody and help them see their life in a different way, and make them want to live for another day, then I feel that's my job.

KARIN: How much perspective or distance do you think a writer needs to have on what they're writing about?

EMILY: I don't know, it depends. Sometimes people need to wait to write about something if they're villainizing people. That's problematic. But I think you can get perspective by writing about it. And if you're not getting perspective, then you just stop for a bit.

Every quarter I tell my students on the last day: We're leaving class right now, and your task is to go and do nothing for the next two hours. Nothing. Just go walk around. The only stipulation is you can't be on electronics. Just stumble around, see what happens. Because we don't think that's important. We don't give ourselves enough elastic time to go out and sharpen our lenses through which we see the world. That's what memoir is.

KARIN: How do you handle privacy issues, say regarding your daughter? Do you think she might read what you write one day?

EMILY: I'll answer people's questions about anything that happens in the book, but I won't talk about what she's up to now. That's my own private life. But I'm glad that I have [the book] for her because I think it shows her connection to her brother, which is important, and that she has some kind of a documentation of it. Also, really important that she knows she wasn't a replacement child. Not that that even exists, but that she was wanted and loved and planned for and that that is independent from what happened to her brother.

KARIN: I know some writers who are writing about grief and loss feel concerned that their narratives will be “too dark.” What would you say to them?

EMILY: Writing about death is more about writing about life. If you've ever watched someone die you understand how precious life is and you feel like you are more alive than you've ever been. Which was a shock to me. Or, wanting to feel alive when faced with death is a very human reaction.

I don't think it's dark at all. I think it's necessary. I think it's inevitable. Why not write about something that everyone's going to experience?

I've always really gravitated toward stories that have high stakes. I'm not going to write a beach book. I wish I could, but I just can't. I don’t care enough.

So, I think if you're going to write about grief and loss, the main thing I would say is make sure you're concretizing it. Make sure we are in your body. Earn your abstractions. You need to ground us in where we are, who we are. That way you can take anyone anywhere if they feel like they know where they are in the world, they're oriented, and that they feel what you feel. Not just in your heart or in your mind, but on your skin, in the air. People forget about that. The sensory stuff is super important.




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Circe Consulting is a full-service business for writers at every stage of their careers. Circe Founders Emily Rapp Black and Gina Frangello offer classes, retreats and editorial consulting.

Both Gina and Emily are longtime educators at the university level, have published numerous memoirs, novels and short story collections between them, and have fostered dozens of additional books into the world as editors, publishers and ghost-writers.

In addition, both specialize in working with survivors of loss, illness, and grief and have collective experience in facilitating therapeutic groups and in life coaching.

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A Conversation with Sadie Radinsky

I'm thrilled to introduce to you a young author, Sadie Radinsky, whose book Whole Girl has just been published through Sounds True. Sadie is baking her way to healthy living with the aim to empower herself and other teen girls. Read our full interview below!


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Sadie Radinsky is a freshman at UC Berkeley, writer, and recipe creator. For six years, she has touched the lives of girls and women worldwide with her award-winning website wholegirl.com, where she shares feel-good paleo treat recipes and advice for living an empowered life. Her writing has been published in places such as MindBodyGreen, Shape, and The New York Times.

In her first book, Whole Girl, Sadie offers practices, tips, and exercises to help young women embrace their whole selves. Each chapter welcomes a different mood (like mad, blue, wild, cozy) to empower all parts of their lives. The book includes 45 delicious gluten-free, Paleo treat recipes.

Read Sadie's recent article in The New York Times.

Approachable and engaging, Radinsky exudes best friend vibes … A useful, accessible self-help guide.
— Kirkus
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KARIN GUTMAN: I know that your food journey began when you were 9 years old and feeling sick. Can you tell us what happened?

SADIE RADINSKY: One day, I started getting intense stomach pain, nausea, and fatigue, and it just wouldn’t go away. I couldn’t go to school, which was really hard. My parents took me to a lot of doctors, but nobody knew what was wrong. My mom had started hearing that people’s health issues were being solved by going gluten-free, so she suggested it to numerous doctors, but they all said that food wasn’t the issue. Finally, she decided to put me on a gluten-free diet anyway. Gradually, I began to feel better. Soon I got the energy to go to school again. And within about two months, all my symptoms were gone. I’ve been gluten-free ever since, and mainly grain-free as well, since I feel best that way.

KARIN: Do you have a theory on why some people are sensitive to gluten and some aren’t?

SADIE: I’ve been reading a lot over the years about gluten intolerance, and from what I’ve learned, our current gluten issues could exist because the wheat we eat nowadays is heavily altered and stripped of its natural form. Some doctors argue that more people are sensitive to gluten than we suspect, and gluten may be causing a whole host of health issues for folks—but we haven’t made the connection yet. Or, it could be that humans didn’t originally eat grains at all, because we were hunter-gatherers, so maybe it’s biologically hard for some people to digest. Again, this is not scientifically determined yet, just some hypotheses.

One interesting thing I’ve noticed, which hasn’t yet been explained by science, is that a lot of young women in particular are sensitive to gluten. I mean—most of my young female cousins and friends are sensitive to gluten, and it seems too common to be a coincidence. But who knows!

KARIN: How did you make your foray into cooking and recipe-making, especially at such a young age?

SADIE: I have always been obsessed with desserts. All my most vivid memories from childhood surround different treats I ate with loved ones. But back in 2011, when I went gluten-free, there were practically no gluten-free desserts available in stores or restaurants. The few that did exist tasted like sand—overly sweet sand. I realized that if I wanted to still enjoy desserts, I’d have to make them on my own. So I began googling gluten-free recipes for cakes and cookies, and making them myself. I had never been super into baking before, so it was a new hobby for me, and extremely fun. Every day after school I’d run into the kitchen to try a new recipe.

KARIN: What gave you the idea to start a blog?

SADIE: After making other people’s recipes for a while, I wanted to start getting creative and making up my own recipes. So I began concocting my own treats and experimenting with flavors and textures. I shared the desserts with my friends and family, and they all loved them. People were so surprised that they were grain-free, gluten-free, and low-sugar. A lot of other young women and mothers I know had started going gluten-free around the same time, and they kept asking me for the recipes for my desserts. So during the summer before seventh grade, I started a little blogspot.com website where I wrote down my recipes. My mom took all the photos of the food, and it was a super fun creative process.

KARIN: It looks like you eventually moved your blog over to Instagram. Is that where you spend most of your time now?

SADIE: I started an Instagram account shortly after starting the blog—or, I should say, my brother started it. I was too young to have a phone yet, so my older brother would take my latest recipe from the blog and post it on Instagram for me. A few years later, when I got a phone, I started sharing on there more often than my website because it allowed me to connect with people directly, share other bits of my life, and also talk about things other than recipes—like self love, movement, confidence.

KARIN: At what point did you realize you wanted to publish a book, and how did you attract a publisher?

SADIE: I have wanted to write a book since I first started reading as a kid. I have always been transfixed by books—the discovery, the feeling of them in my hands, the process of reading. But the idea for this book started blossoming when I was about fourteen. I started thinking about the ways that food intersect with teen issues and empowerment, and I was inspired to write a book that encompassed all of that—all of our whole selves.

I started writing a book proposal in my freshman year of high school. And then one day, through a common friend, I was introduced to a literary agent. We signed shortly thereafter, and then the agent spent the next year working with me to hone the concept of the book and round out the proposal. The book has evolved so much since then, but it still had the same foundation as it does now. I signed with Sounds True in February 2019, so exactly two years ago!

KARIN: Why did you choose to focus on desserts? Do you imagine that will remain your specialty?

SADIE: I will always be most in love with desserts. To me, making ourselves desserts and enjoying them—especially as young women—is powerful. As teen girls, we’re so conditioned to view desserts as sinful and dangerous, so I think it’s like a small act of rebellion to relish desserts on a daily basis. Another reason I’m drawn to desserts over savory foods is that they’re purely for fun. We don’t need desserts to survive, but they make life more enjoyable. So baking for ourselves is doing a really sweet act of self-care.

KARIN: Did the original concept for the book include teen empowerment? What does that mean to you and how do you incorporate it in the book?

SADIE: I was always drawn to two things: empowering teen girls, and desserts—but it took me several years to fully make the connection between the two. I’m so glad I finally did! Whole Girl was actually born out of my realization that making & eating desserts is a form of empowerment, and flows beautifully from the concept of embracing our whole selves, which is the crux of the book.

KARIN: Tell us more about the Sounds True book publishing arm. What kind of things do they publish?

SADIE: Sounds True focuses on spirituality and wellness books, so they publish a lot of books on mindfulness, meditation, and yoga. I’m honored that Whole Girl is their first YA title, because they really stuck their neck out by publishing something so different.

KARIN: How do you decide how much to share via social media versus what to reserve for your books?

SADIE: Oof, this is always tricky. It kills me to be working on a really fun, delicious recipe that I’m excited about, and not be able to share it. Whole Girl has 45 recipes, and originally had 60, so I spent a lot of time over the past 3 years creating new recipes—none of which I could share yet. It’s challenging to work behind the scenes doing something for years, and not be able to share it (or even about it).

In this era of social media and instancy, there is a lot of pressure to constantly pump out “content” and give your followers a stream of recipes every day (all for free). So while I was writing the book, I would constantly beat myself up for not simultaneously publishing more recipes on my blog and Instagram. I had to remind myself that the hard work I was putting into the book was valid, and it was worth it—even if I had nothing to show yet. This long book-creating process taught me to appreciate things taking a long time to come to fruition! The best things take time.

KARIN: I love all the videos you make! What is the set up you use? Do you also do the editing?

SADIE: I mean, if you’re talking about the Whole Girl trailer, my filmmaker brother made that! But everything else, I make on my own using my iPhone and extremely limited Final Cut skills. Oh, and the window in my kitchen.

KARIN: Where do you go from here? What do you envision?

SADIE: I have so many ideas swirling through my mind about the future! My current endeavor is learning about global issues by majoring in Global Studies at UC Berkeley (alas, remotely for now). But after college, I’m not sure what awaits. I want to explore food justice, regeneration, and policy on a global scale, but I don’t know how to label that profession yet. So I’m trying to take a page from my own book (page 70 in the chapter “Be Unsure,” to be exact) and be okay with not knowing yet what I want to do.



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A Conversation with Leslie Lehr

I'm thrilled to introduce you to Leslie Lehr, whose new book, A Boob's Life, is launching on March 2nd. It delivers what the title promises—a deep dive into this female body part shaped as a unique hybrid of memoir and cultural analysis. Leslie is also a story consultant and in our interview offers great tips about how to successfully pitch your book. She is the 'go-to' for helping writers craft their query letters, which is often the key to landing that coveted publishing agent.


Leslie Lehr is a prize-winning author and story consultant. She has written the novels What a Mother Knows, Wife Goes On, and 66 Laps, and essays for the beloved New York Times "Modern Love" column and the infamous anthology, Mommy Wars. Leslie is a breast cancer survivor, the mother of two daughters, and lives in Southern California.

Her newest book A Boob’s Life, which drops on March 2nd, explores the surprising truth about women’s most popular body part with vulnerable, witty frankness and true nuggets of American culture that will resonate with everyone who has breasts – or loves them.

“Lehr’s appealing sense of humor runs throughout, as does her sharp analysis of broader social issues...”
Publishers Weekly

“Original, thought-provoking, and with an elegant sense of humor, A Boob's Life is a must-read."
Salma Hayek

“Thoughtful and honest. Our verdict: GET IT."
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KARIN GUTMAN: I love the topic of your new book! How did it occur to you to write an entire book devoted to this female body part? Do you remember the moment when the thought first occurred to you?

LESLIE LEHR: One night I got out of the shower and noticed that my boobs were crooked. I had just recovered from breast cancer and moved into my dream house. But the sight upset me so much that my husband accused me of being obsessed, as if I should be grateful to be alive and nothing else should have mattered. But it did.

Especially when we settled in to watch David Letterman’s farewell TV show, with all the celebrities visiting – and he opened with a boob joke. So much for our date.

I left a message for my doctor, then couldn’t sleep. We had just moved, so while my husband slept, I started unpacking my scrapbooks and realized I could track my whole life by my boobs. I also had fashion magazines I hadn’t had time to read yet – and one of them said boobs were “out” that year. I needed to prove I wasn’t the only one who was obsessed – and figure out how it happened. I knew immediately that this was my next book.

KARIN: How did you go about fleshing out the seed of this idea?

LESLIE: Lots of research! I started a file on every related subject I could think of. I poured over my old diaries and scrapbooks. And I interviewed a bunch of people. I originally thought of linked essays, but once I connected the dots, they told a bigger story of America.

KARIN: I know the book is a blend of research and personal narrative. How did that hybrid evolve?

LESLIE: It was necessity. I’ve written personal essays, in Mommy Wars and Modern Love. But I had something to prove here. I needed to see how – and when - history and the American culture had impacted a typical midwestern girl like me. I love research; it’s a great procrastination device. But since A Boob's Life brings us to present day, I kept updating - and it's crazy-making. My next book is a novel.

KARIN: What did you find surprising about what you discovered as you researched? And how did this shape your own thinking about your journey as a woman with breasts?

LESLIE: I realized that women are our own worst enemies. And I am just as complicit.

KARIN: I know your last published book was fiction. How was it for you to make a shift from writing fiction to personal narrative?

LESLIE: All of my novels grew from personal essays – challenges that kept me up at night. So the inspiration was the same. And I write in scenes. The challenge was switching between narrative and analysis without being heavy-handed and keeping true to the time period (from the 1960’s to now) about what I knew then versus what I understand now.

KARIN: How has the last year through Covid affected your writing practice?

LESLIE: I’ve been writing and consulting more than ever. It’s harder to separate play time and work time, but I’m very grateful.

KARIN: Was this an easy book to sell? How did you pitch it and who is the audience?

LESLIE: My agent at the time said she wasn’t interested in breasts. Which to me, meant she was in denial. But I hadn’t written a book since my novel, What A Mother Knows, and while my analytical side came back immediately after chemotherapy, my creative side did not.

My agent moved over to CAA (to rep Kamala Harris!) and did not take me with her. I wrote a crack query letter and got a new agent right away. And I had a full proposal, a relatively new requirement for memoirs. But it took her two years and 30 submissions to sell the book.

I wrote and kept updating the proposal as the political landscape evolved, from serious to funny and back. Then I went ahead and wrote the whole book. Most editors at publishing houses took the topic for granted, or didn’t see it past a magazine article. By now I already had TV interest, so I knew I wasn’t crazy. I was ready to indie publish. Then I heard back from Pegasus Books.

So getting a rave review from Publishers Weekly – who said that “women of all ages” will enjoy this book - has been a great feeling of I told you so!

KARIN: I know you are an expert at writing query letters and help a lot of writers through this process. What do you think is the most important part of pitching a book project?

LESLIE: Finding the gold, the part that keeps you excited and the part that shines in a unique way.

And not giving up.




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