Interview

A Conversation with Helen Jacobs

As we near the end of a decade (a decade!), I wanted to offer something special to mark this moment. So I reached out to Helen Jacobs, whom I've been following for a few years, upon hearing that her debut book was coming out. Helen is a psychic and channel based in Australia and her book You Already Know, while already on the shelves in Brisbane, will be released in the U.S. on January 14th.

A heads up: this interview goes well beyond the conversation of writing, and while I don't know each of your particular leanings when it comes to spirituality and its practices, I can tell you that Helen is a true force for positive change and inner transformation, and offers here a wealth of wisdom and insights that I'm excited to share with you. We talk about everything from her perspective on the geo-political climate to what we might expect as we enter a new decade. We do manage to touch on her writing process as well!


Helen Jacobs was a successful PR and marketing executive who left her thriving career to become a full-time psychic and channel, hosting popular workshops and events to provide thousands of readings for people all over the world. As a soul guide, Helen mentors and teaches women how to change their lives and find a more meaningful path for themselves. She is also the host and creator of The Guided Collective Podcast which helps listeners connect to their intuition, their spirit guides, and their unique purpose.

Weaving her own personal experiences throughout her debut book You Already Know, Helen shares her unlikely journey and explains how to create a beautiful life for yourself today – by listening closely to your intuition, and following it. Her teachings will guide you in learning how to foresee potential life pitfalls, realize what your guidance is asking you to heal (and why), and prepare to find your true soul calling.

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KARIN GUTMAN: It’s such a treat to speak with you! I've been following you ever since The Little Sage, and I know you've had quite a bit of an evolution since then.

HELEN JACOBS: I think a lot of people ended up finding me when I had The Little Sage. In truth, it's not where I started and I'd actually been, for probably three or four years, working under my own name, giving psychic readings. Essentially, that's all I did for the first couple of years. Prior to that, my background was completely different and I worked in public relations. I left PR to give psychic readings and I had a blog at the time. I don't think anyone really read it, but somehow it was enough to bring me clients. And in truth, I think clients were finding me just through word of mouth. Then I started The Little Sage because I felt called to. I felt like we were ready as a community to get together and to have resources and information that, at the time, I don't think really existed. There's a lot of it available now.

As you say, this evolution is because I honestly live my life following my intuition and higher guidance, so if I get the nudge to stop or start or do something that appears to be crazy, then I do it. Because I have this publicity background, I often watch what I'm doing myself and think, “Helen you are mad. Why would you close this business? Why would you do this? Why would you make these changes?” So the evolution is very much my personal growth based on listening to and trusting my guidance.

It's interesting, I think, for someone like yourself who's been watching on. We're all evolving, perhaps I'm just making it a little more public.

KARIN: You say, at the time you created The Little Sage, that there weren't many resources. What are you referring to exactly?

HELEN: I felt still quite young when I started The Little Sage. Particularly in Australia, anything that had been done prior in spirituality or even some self-development, all had the same flavor. It had the same tone and almost an inaccessibility or un-relatability that I think a younger audience couldn't connect with. I didn't connect with it. Perhaps having that publicity background, I wanted to position it in such a way that was very accessible. It was really about breaking down quite big concepts.

I created my Oracle cards around the same time. Everything else that was on the market was very esoteric, whereas mine came on and it was white and watercolor. I think that spirit had led me to this place, where perhaps spirits saw it before I did, that the mainstream or the masses were waking up and didn't want spirituality to be so out there.

KARIN: I remember finding it incredibly unique. What year did you create The Little Sage?

HELEN: Behind the scenes, I was working on it from around 2013. I kept it running until, I think, 2016.

KARIN: What shifted at that point for you?

HELEN: So, I'm also a channel, which means that I can receive huge volumes of information verbatim from the world of spirit. I had actually sat down to write the book, which now has morphed into You Already Know. At the time I sat down to write the book that I thought was needed, I started to channel huge volumes of quite advanced teachings that started while I was pregnant with my daughter Rose. For me personally, as I was receiving this higher guidance and I started to embody it and evolve myself by practicing what spirit was giving me, I ended up finding this disconnect between where I was going and where The Little Sage was. I had tried a lot of different things with The Little Sage, and pretty much everything I tried did work to some degree. It was like planting all of these seeds, but I couldn't quite get the whole garden to work.

What I realized is that The Little Sage was definitely helping people through one cycle of spiritual awakening or very early spiritual awakening, but that there was, for me, another round of awakening, more of a soul awakening. It felt like my understanding of my purpose—my understanding of the work and the message that I believe I'm here in the world to bring through—suddenly became much, much deeper.

KARIN: When you say soul work, can you describe the container in which you work now?

HELEN: For the last 12 or 18 months, it's very much been about working with individuals so that they can understand their path and their purpose. People may be at various points along their own journey. Maybe it is someone who's starting out, or like you, someone who has been at this for some time. I'm essentially helping people through that process. I help people come back into their truth and then figure out how they offer that truth to the world.

KARIN: You write that the book will help you identify what your guidance is asking you to heal and why. I’m wondering what exactly you mean by that? It sounds like the process of healing is connected to discovering your true soul calling.

HELEN: Yes, it is. After working with spirit for well over a decade, what I’ve found is that when we're asking questions about our purpose, our guidance is often asking us to focus on something else that feels very unrelated—tidy up your diet, take care of this relationship, move house, change jobs—something that feels like it's almost at the opposite end of what we're asking about. But as we tend to those steps, we are guided deeper into healing our internal world. We may have to heal some of our past traumas or change our limiting beliefs or re-frame the way we see ourselves and the world. I believe that at a deeper level we have, as a soul, many lessons in this lifetime. And as we truly learn and integrate the lessons, our purpose deepens.

As I went deeper into my own healing, my purpose became more available to me. I could see that I'm available to make a bigger impact or help more people, but that's only possible if I get out of my own way. I was raised in a Catholic household where my mom and my aunt poked fun at having gone to see a psychic or having their tea leaves read. I grew up believing that it was not safe for me to be psychic. So that’s clearly something I have to heal in order to go out into the world as a psychic.

KARIN: Who is the book for?

HELEN: It is for anyone who is wanting to follow their guidance, in order to understand themselves and live out their life path. I believe that the book will meet you where you are. The same tools and techniques can be applied at any stage of that journey, whether you're starting out or not. I take someone from the outset of ‘what is your intuition and how do you connect with it’ and ‘who are your guides and how you can work with them’. I take you then through the process, when your guidance will start asking you to do the healing and inner work and inner transformation, right through to… one of the last chapters in the book starts to point to some of the advanced teachings that I started channeling. So I do believe that this work will meet anyone where they are.

KARIN:  That's amazing. I believe you're still offering your monthly forecast, right?

HELEN: Yes, they are available on the podcast at the moment.

KARIN: I find it fascinating that you're able to guide individuals as well as the wholeThe Guided Collective, as you call it.

HELEN: I think anything that we're doing individually is also happening on a collective level. We’re not separate beings in isolation. As each and every one of us is awakening, we’re adding to the mass consciousness, or the collective awakening, that's happening on our planet right now.

When I first sat down to write the book, I ended up channeling something else entirely. There was another group of guiding beings that appeared to me. They called themselves the High Council of Sages. As each of us has at least one spirit guide, the High Council of Sages is this group of guiding beings working with those of us on this planet who are awakening and choosing to live differently—to awaken physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

As a channel, I work with them to receive their guidance on what is happening as we are waking up collectively. What we do individually is making an impact on the bigger issues that we see geo-politically, economically. Sadly, in Australia right now, we have so much of our country on fire, and I think you've also been experiencing fires. Although it feels like it’s not related and not making a difference, if each of us is doing the inner work we will actually start, I believe, to heal the planet because we're raising the vibration.

KARIN: Can you speak to what’s happening in the U.S. right now? The political climate we’re experiencing, in particular, feels so extreme.

HELEN: Yes, I have been getting a lot of messages around this. Essentially, if we look at what is happening in the States, there is a heightened global awareness of what happens when ego, power, and unconscious behaviors are at the forefront. I talk about this process in the book at the individual level, that usually there is some sort of crisis or catalyst at the individual level that wakes us up. This would be true for everywhere. If we look at it from one level, we've put these people into power to get us to wake up and say, “What is the crisis point, how uncomfortable do we need to be until that mass consciousness shifts and changes?”

I do believe that right now we are at that tipping point. I also believe that there is more and more positive energy and positive vibration that is lifting and rising. Also, as we go through that change and transformation, it's very uncomfortable and all the muck has to come out. At the individual level—and you may have experienced this at various points when working with energy or when changing our belief systems—we may have what I call is a vibrational flu. Our body becomes unwell. We might have to cry for some time or we might have to just separate from our life for a minute while we take care of ourselves. I think that this is happening on the collective scale now. We’re realizing, “Oh my God, we've got all of this anger… oh my gosh, we've got all of these awful, horrible, separative beliefs that have kept us so trapped.” And as they all come out, the challenge for us—and this happens both individually and collectively—is that we don't attach to them, that we keep choosing love and the potential of what is possible and not just be stuck in, Oh my God, the world is turning to... excuse my language, to shit. We have to keep believing it's possible to change.

KARIN: Does that mean taking action, or is it more on a vibrational level?

HELEN: I think it's all of it, right? In the book I explain that we have a physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual body. If we're looking at the collective and what's happening with the systems and structures on our planet—physically, we need to take action. I think voting in the States is voluntary, right?

KARIN: Yes.

HELEN: Perhaps in your country it’s getting out and voting. Maybe for some it’s activism and physical marching. Physically there are things we can do—donating time, money, resources, our voice. But at the mental level, we need to be changing our thinking with movements like #MeToo. I've seen a lot of really interesting debate and discussion around race and equality and these things are happening emotionally. This is where we are probably needing a bit of extra work—the emotional healing that needs to happen—when we've had huge race issues, when we've had huge political issues, when we've had huge divide. There are several, probably hundreds of years’ worth of trauma that needs processing. How do we do that on a mass scale?

KARIN: Yes, how?

HELEN: Well, I actually don't know the answer to that just yet.

There’s also the spiritual, or the energetic, and that's where each of us can be raising our own personal vibration. As each of us are doing that work, it will shift and tip the scales. Also, we have to change earth's energy. If we think of earth as a being herself, we need to be feeding a lot of energy into our earth.

Karin: How do we do that?

HELEN: Definitely we still need to take care of the environment because that would be the physical layer. This starts to move into some of the advanced teachings that I was pointing to before. My belief is that our physical bodies are a vehicle or a channel or a conduit for energy. If we're able to reach to these higher dimensions and higher frequencies… the spiritual awakening has allowed us to get that far but we actually need to go the next step now and understand that we need to take that energy into our body and learn how to keep moving it down into the earth. How do we actually send those frequencies through the layers of the earth into the core of the earth? Also, how do we then activate the healing energies that are within the earth and draw that back up from the earth?

KARIN: I can’t imagine the time and energy it takes to channel this kind of information. How do you relate to this gift of yours? Do you find it distracting? Is it something you can turn on and off?

HELEN: It depends on the day. In the book, I share this story of my aunt who had passed away in August 2001. On September 8th she came back to visit me and made it very clear and apparent that I could connect at length and sustain a connection with the world of spirit. My first reaction was a huge depression. I didn't want to connect with it. It was incredibly overwhelming, I was scared of it. What I said before about my upbringing… it was like, “I can't reconcile these two things,” and so it did take me a lot of time to figure out how to do that.

In the beginning it was very much about turning it on and off, and I think for many people that might be the way that they want to manage it. I also mentioned in the book that I think we all have the ability to connect—we all have intuition, we all have access to spirit. Not all of us are going to be inclined to spend all day connecting with it, right? I've made this my life's work so I feel like my flow is more constant. One of the things I learned in the first few years is that I am also a medium, which just means that I can connect with our deceased loved ones. I found them very annoying. They didn't respect any boundaries; they turned up at all times of the day and night. So I chose not to do that work anymore. I am human and sometimes I just don't want to know. Honestly, there are times I want to just put my head in the sand and be in my own self-pity and be like, “No, I don’t want to do anything. Don’t make me do anything else.” However, inevitably I get up the next day and ask again, what do I need to know?

In the book, I include a range of practices that can help us open that flow or manage the flow. I don't think that everybody's flow will be the same as mine, because I think it's part of my purpose. What I have access to, I think everyone can do, but whether they're inclined to… that’s up to the individuals. I also need to have a lot of recovery time too.

KARIN: I bet.

HELEN: Which I'm still learning to figure out even all these years later.

KARIN: What is your take on other spiritual practices like astrology, moon cycles or numerology? Do you incorporate these into your work?

HELEN: I have a strong personal interest in those things. I actually do reference them in the book. There's a chapter towards the end where I do talk about the connectivity with astrology and moon cycles and menstrual cycles for women. I think they're all connected, and I think that we need to be careful that we're not placing any particular emphasis or power on any one of those things. If we hand our power over to the psychic, to the astrology prediction, or to even my energy forecast, then we've kind of missed the point.

I just see that so much in our world is connected. This is part of that awakening. If we awaken and we're drawn to astrology, great. That will help. Or if we are drawn to some other healing modality or some other teacher, myself included, I think all of those things are useful. But we have to start seeing the big picture eventually. It’s not any one teacher or modality that's the answer. I talk sometimes about a tapestry. We have to weave all of these things together to come back to whole.

KARIN: So, for example, how would you recommend using your monthly energy forecast?

HELEN: In the book I talk about something called the mirror technique. Everything that exists outside of us is actually a mirror pointing us back inside of ourselves. Something like my forecast for example... you might listen and hear one thing and someone else will listen and take out something else entirely. The idea being that those things are mirrors pointing you inside of yourself to do that inner work.

Astrology, we've just had a full moon. The full moon doesn't control us. The full moon doesn't make us go crazy. The full moon is helping illuminate what is inside of us that can be released, what can be cleared, what can be healed. We're in constant dance and constant communion with the world around us that is actually inviting us inward to heal, so that we then take outward the thing that is healed within us—the new perspective, the offering, the purpose. It becomes a mirror for someone else. They’re going to do their work, they'll contribute something else. And you can see how that starts to build in change, right? There's this ripple effect.

So it’s not that, “Oh my God, there's a full moon and I need to have a particular practice.” Well, you can. Maybe you'll do that practice or maybe you'll just sit with the thing that you need to do and do that.

KARIN: Is it true that your focus or mission is to work specifically with women?

HELEN: For now.

KARIN: Why is that?

HELEN: At this time on our planet, as we're moving through such change and transformation individually and collectively, we're needing to reinstate the Divine Feminine. What that means is that the feminine energy has been awakening for some time. Things like intuition, expression, writing and storytelling, these are feminine traits. I just want to be clear, I'm not necessarily referring to gender or sexual orientation. That is separate. The feminine energy is really around collaboration, intuition, creativity. Also healing. A lot of women are feeling that call first. There are also men or other gender-identifying people who are also feeling that call because they will have a connection to that energy that's tapping them on their shoulder and saying, “We need your voice as part of this.”

If we think of femininity on a spectrum where in the middle is a balanced feminine… at one end we can have that submissive, passive, doormat type energy of the feminine and at the other end, perhaps there is an overly sexualized, overly playing on the feminine to control and manipulate. As a spectrum, that feminine has to come back into balance and somewhere in the balance is definitely owning our sexuality, owning our power, owning our sense of eroticism, but in a balanced, healthy way; and also to bring the other end of that spectrum out of that submissive passive and reclaiming our voice, reclaiming our wisdom.

When the feminine spectrum comes back into some semblance of balance, and at the moment we're trying to come back to balance, we're giving permission to the Divine Masculine to come back into balance. Coming back to what we were talking about, particularly in the States with the type of leadership that your country has right now, we can see a gross misrepresentation of masculine energy.

KARIN: Yes.

HELEN: We've also been operating in a system that is very patriarchal. We can also add into that race and gender. It's been very much skewed to a white privileged male. At an energy level, we can see that it's been skewed in a very toxic way.

If the feminine is rising and the feminine comes back into balance, then the masculine will have no choice but to meet and rise up because energetically when you set a new set point, anything that isn't a match has to fall away. And so that's what we're seeing right now. We're seeing that the feminine is rebalancing, that all of these patriarchal, toxic, masculine structures—production at all costs, profit over people, all of those things—have to drop away.

It's not just women. I do want to be very clear here that there are many gender identifying people that are taking part of this. I do believe that there will come a point where the masculine embraces their own feminine energy—and as the masculine energy comes back to balance, female-identifying people can then embrace a more balanced masculine energy.

The other thing that's really interesting, just in observing my own work… I've always predominantly worked with women not because at the outset I set out to, but because that's who turned up. But I am actually seeing that tide turning and I think that there are a lot of males or male-identifying people who are now feeling like it's more welcome for them to display such feminine qualities. As we provide that safety for them, it is shifting, but we still have a way to go.

KARIN: Since we are nearing the end of the year, I was wondering if you'd be willing to reflect on where we’ve been this past year and share about where things are headed in 2020?

HELEN: I actually need to start forecasting into 2020, and I've only just started scratching the surface. If I remember correctly, the card that I had turned for 2019 was self-love.

KARIN: Yes, I think it was.

HELEN: We've been exploring this sense of self and exploring a sense of unconditional love and what happens when we actually have such love for ourselves—then we can offer it to others. I think we still have some way to go on that theme, but upon reflection, there's probably some really interesting developments in that space, probably more so in purging what doesn't look like love, what doesn't look like the ideal.

One of the things that I've been feeling into for 2020, and I think just by the actual number itself, that there's something here around vision, 20/20 vision. There is something here around our ability to really, truly, clearly see the truth of ourselves and so much of this has been on the collective, the mess that we're in. It may also be that I've woken again this morning here in Australia… we're so sad. We're so disappointed in our government because these fires really should not be happening and they won't declare a climate emergency. So there is still this underlying courage for 2020 of clearly seeing ourselves individually, clearly seeing the predicament that we're in physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually—and physically, there meaning also environmentally. The challenge for us is how do we see these things and be able to act? How do we put it into motion? How do we make such change?

There's also another thread here, I think, for specifically this group that I call The Guided Collective, the people that are identifying that they want to follow guidance, their own internal truth and their own intuition in the world. We have to rise up and we have to be at the forefront of this using our voices. The energy healers need to start working on the collective energy and working with the earth. We all need to rise up out of the “I” and into the “we”. There is definitely something about 2020. I haven't quite received all the messages on it yet… you're sort of getting a sneak peek.

If this year was about self and love, next year is very much about how does the “I” contribute to the “we” because really there is no 'I' if the 'we' doesn't get this right.

KARIN: Do you have any end the year rituals that you do that you’d be willing to share?

HELEN: Yeah, well this year I'm planning on taking all of December off, which is very unusual for me. I am a self-proclaimed workaholic. I will often do some sort of closing ceremony. We're also letting go of a decade. I let that sit and then… whether this happens on January 1 or it happens on January 30, I'm not so fixed, but I will allow the new to arise within me. I just create enough space like taking holidays and spending time at the beach, spending time in nature, and I wait until something comes onto my heart. Where is it that I need to go next? I will always do some version of that. I'm also trying to get better at celebrating. I do really want to celebrate this year because I think when we're in times of such change and global crisis, if we put all of our energy into that, while of course it needs attention, we also need to counterbalance it with that happier positive energy that allows us to keep doing that work.

In my unique case, I actually need to practice physically celebrating, like throw yourself the party. I'm pretty good on the emotional and energetic side of things. For me personally, I have to remember to invite others into that celebration or to actually say, let's have a beautiful lunch together. Definitely this year I feel like I've had a lot to celebrate. I've had to keep reminding myself to physically mark those stones.

KARIN: Your book came out!

HELEN: Yeah, I totally underestimated this process. Even though I had 10 years leading up to it, I wrote the version that's gone to print in six months. In that six months, I wrote it three times.

KARIN: Wow.

HELEN: Yes. I can now look back and go, “Holy Dooley. That was a big process.”

KARIN: So the 10 years leading up to those six months was made up of what?

HELEN: I certainly had various iterations of that manuscript in several folders and files. I also have kept a journal for well over 10 years, so I have at last count over 200 journals… I had written this over and over in some form. I've taught this for 10 years. I’ve paneled this for 10 years. I speak all day, every day about it. So in some way I had really been expressing this for some time, but the actual act of having to sit there and finish it is grueling. That you have to actually put a full stop on it and at some point say, “Well, the deadline's here. This is it.” I found that really hard.

KARIN: How did you know it was that tipping point?

HELEN: Well, for me, I had a publisher who set the deadline for me. That's exactly what I needed. If I'd set my own deadline, this book may never have come about.

KARIN: Did the publisher approach you or had you been seeking a publisher?

HELEN: I'd never actually contacted them. It was a chance meeting that I talk about it in the book, because I think that this book is part of my purpose. I knew that one day they would turn up, so I was just always on the lookout. I think there’d have come a point where I started to canvas my work. But I was busy doing other things and it was a chance meeting. It was a conversation. We started emailing. The email became the proposal, and I was offered the contract.

KARIN: Amazing.

HELEN: Yes, so unheard of. I remember going to a lot of writing classes over the years, and having a lot of writers tell me, “Oh, this is so hard.” Of course it can be, but I really actively chose for the whole process to be joyful. Other than that final push of birth, it mostly was joyful.

KARIN: Which part was joyful?

HELEN: I took joy in talking with the publisher. I took joy and gratitude in signing the contract because I'd waited for it for 10 years. I took joy in getting up every day and writing. Even if that day of writing was difficult, I came back to, “I get to do this.” I took joy that somewhat someone had had great faith in this book and that it needed to be printed. I tried to take joy in the editing process. As my editor would say, “What is this?” and queried things, I took joy that someone had such dedication to my message to make it the best that it could be. I took such joy that the designers went through so many iterations of the cover to make this the best that it could be. I really took joy in the launch. It was a little uncomfortable to talk about it every day, but I took joy in that this moment won't come again. I will never have a first book again.

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A Conversation with Liz Murdoch

Earlier this year, my husband and I gifted our daughter a puppy for her 7th birthday. Her name is Rosie, and she is a Miniature Schnauzer. Rosie's sweet, playful spirit has brought back many of my own wonderful childhood memories growing up with a Schnauzer.

I share this because recently my daughter, Skye, had the opportunity to work with Animal Communicator Liz Murdoch to get some insights about our new pup—everything from her favorite things and insecurities to her opinions about the dog park!

Liz has been a long-time member of the Unlocking Your Story workshop and has recently launched the Talking with the dogs! podcast that lets listeners in on her conversations between people and their pets. She is just finishing up her first season with 14 episodes to date, plus a bonus cat episode, and it has already hit #17 in the Pets & Animals category. You can hear my daughter's episode (link below) along with some other illuminating interviews with Hawk Koch, Melissa Rivers and Sheri Salata.

Liz is offering Spirit of Story readers a special Black Friday deal for a 20-30 minute session. Scroll down to find full details along with my conversation with Liz, who talks candidly about what goes into launching a podcast. It turns out, a lot more than you might think!


 
In her new podcast Talking with the dogs!, animal communicator Liz Murdoch chats with dogs and their owners about what the dogs want them to know!

In her new podcast Talking with the dogs!, animal communicator Liz Murdoch chats with dogs and their owners about what the dogs want them to know!

 
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KARIN GUTMAN: Tell us about the Talking with the dogs! podcast. What inspired you to create it?

LIZ MURDOCH: I started Talking with the dogs! podcast as a way to record and transcribe my animal communication sessions to make it easier to write my book about my work talking with animals, specifically dogs. When I work with a pet, whether a horse, dog, cat, rabbit, snake, or whatever, I typically jot down words or messages I receive via images, knowing, feelings, or smells, in a notebook. I don’t write in complete sentences or record as much detail as I share with clients verbally. So, when I share about what the dogs tell me, and the fascinating ways people may verify what the animals say, that is easily lost if not recorded.

KARIN: When did you first realize that you could communicate with animals?

LIZ: I was in kindergarten and a classmate brought a grey standard poodle to class for show and tell, with its nails painted purple and a matching bow. I remember looking at the dog and just knowing what it wanted, “to do so much more than stand there showing off its nails.” It made me want a dog, so I could let it do what it wanted to do—to be a dog.

KARIN: I imagine that some people may be skeptical about this gift of yours. What would you say to them, something that might open their minds?

LIZ: I know that people are often skeptical of what they don’t understand or can’t control. I ask people if they’ve ever had a hunch or a gut feeling about something that turned out to be true and most everyone says ‘yes’. To me this is no different than that—trusting our hunches and being able to access those kinds of hunches regularly. For me, the practice of tuning into my own intuition, and being able to actively listen to another person, and also connecting with animals, can be no different than knowing when I’m hungry or have to go to the bathroom. It starts with trusting oneself to acknowledge messages we receive.

The more I do my chat sessions with animals, the more confident I become when an animal is telling me something about a couch or type of food, that there is some truth to it, and I simply relay what I am getting. Invariably, the pet’s person knows what the depth of the message is. Many people are comfortable having faith in a spiritual or religious way, so why not embrace having faith in intuitive messages we receive?

KARIN: How did you go about building the podcast?

LIZ: I started learning about building a podcast by taking a six-week online class. Each week covered a different topic, including equipment, where to host it, knowing your message, and your target audience. I also read books that provided additional information and time-saving tips. My biggest takeaways were to pick the equipment I feel most comfortable with, know exactly why I am doing this, and be passionate about the topic given that this a long-term project.

As I continue with the podcast I realize how much more is involved beyond building it. There is marketing, follow-up with guests, being a guest on other podcasts, interacting with the audience, as well as new clients and relationships that come from the podcast. So much I never thought about.

KARIN: Would you be willing to share the primary tools you use?

LIZ: I record on my MacBook Pro laptop using a Blue Yeti microphone and Zencastr recording software since my audio engineer prefers sound wave files. I hire an engineer because sound quality is important to me, and I don’t have the experience or patience to do audio editing. Sometimes I use Zoom which allows for video recording, which people are requesting so they can watch me interviewing the animals.

KARIN: What has been your biggest challenge?

LIZ: My biggest challenge is social media and feeling pressured to have an inviting social media feed promoting the podcast. That doesn’t come naturally to me and the prices are all over the place to have someone else manage it, with differing opinions on what to do. I didn’t realize how much goes into promotion and setting up my infrastructure to manage a growing business. There are so many details to juggle.

KARIN: What has surprised you?

LIZ: I’m surprised by how popular the podcast is. I know the dog world is huge and people love their dogs, but I’m so used to talking with dogs that I forget others don’t and are actually waiting for the next episode and wanting to listen, whether it be for entertainment or to learn something. I want to keep doing more episodes, but to make more money from them I need to smarten up my business which is a whole other part of podcasting and running any sort of business.

KARIN: Can you share more about the book you’re writing?

LIZ: People love my stories about what the dogs and other animals have shared with me. They are also intrigued by the lessons, such as a dog saying it likes fresh water or wants to go back to dog school, or the snake that said “help me.” So, I’m working on a book about what the dogs want you to know based on my conversations talking with the dogs!

Animal lovers also want to share their own stories. So, I created a website, DogStories.com, to promote dog stories that anyone wants to share. For anyone who may be interested, there is an open call for submissions!

KARIN: Why do you feel this podcast is important? What do you hope people take away from listening?

LIZ: This podcast is important as a way to entertain and educate adults and children that animals do communicate with us, and that we can understand them when we are willing to listen with an open heart and trust the messages we receive.

Over 30 years ago, after experiencing a life-threatening car accident and a near death experience, I received a strong knowing while lying on a gurney that I was to “really live and do something that mattered.” Understanding what that meant has been a lifelong process.

I believe animal communication matters, because in today’s world an animal is often one of the most intimate relationships people have. We interact with them in person; we don’t text or email or Facetime our pets. These relationships are extra special because they are based on our time together, when communication is the strongest and most vibrant. I believe how we treat our animal relationships impacts every other relationship and how we listen to each other.

I’ve had animal communication sessions with children and adults from age 7 to 97. Whether or not people believe wholeheartedly in what the animals say to me, people always find some truth in what I’ve shared and feel closer to their pet afterwards. Parents often tell me that their kids liked our Talking with the dogs! session. It’s amazing how many people, especially the kids, admit they think they know what their dog or cat is telling them sometimes.

If I can help bridge relationships between people and their dogs, and help an animal be better understood, and maybe ultimately get better care, then I feel as if I’m doing something that matters.

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A Conversation with Hawk Koch and Molly Jordan

Every season I invite two guest authors to visit the Unlocking Your Story workshops. We dialogue about the creative process behind the writing of their books, and glean valuable insights that help illuminate our unique paths as storytellers. Guest author visits are also an opportunity for workshop alums to re-join the mix. These reunions create a real feeling of community and are by far some of my favorite events of the year.

This fall is the first time that BOTH guest authors are former members of the Unlocking Your Story workshop, and we now celebrate the release of their books! It is truly soul satisfying.

Wendy Adamson's debut memoir MOTHER LOAD, which dropped this past May, follows a little-league PTA mom down the rabbit hole of addiction and through her journey of recovery and triumph. Molly Jordan co-authored her husband Hawk Koch's memoir, MAGIC TIME, which captures his extraordinary career in the movie business. I recently had a chance to interview Molly and Hawk together, and have included our conversation below. You can also read my conversation with Wendy from April here.


 
 

Starting as a production assistant in 1965 and working his way all the way to the top, Hawk Koch has been intimately involved with the making of over 60 major motion pictures, among them such classics as “Marathon Man,” “Chinatown” “Wayne's World,” “Peggy Sue Got Married,” “Heaven Can Wait,” “The Way We Were” and “Rosemary's Baby.” He is also the former President of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (AMPAS). Hawk’s memoir Magic Time: My Life in Hollywood, co-authored by his wife Molly Jordan, recounts his amazing journey in show business.

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KARIN GUTMAN: Do you remember how we first met?

MOLLY JORDAN: So, I picked up a flyer, because I was in another writer's group when Hawk and I lived in Topanga. I'm just going to get real down with what happened.

KARIN: Yes, please…

MOLLY: I loved this writer's group I was in, until I heard a comment after one of the pieces that I read, which was like a little bee that went directly into my ear. I know I wasn't supposed to hear it, but the guy said, “Can we get past the depressing mother stuff?” And I thought, “I am in the wrong group here.”

I found your flyer and called. And thank God I did. Thank God I found my way to you because I felt totally safe to say anything, to be held in a way that everyone in the group would hold together. And I can't thank you enough for that.

KARIN: I remember our conversation clearly. I remember you had been shut down for a while.

MOLLY: It shut me down for a long time. Because you know, you write vulnerable stuff and when someone says that, you're going to slam the door for a while. I did anyway. And I really tiptoed… I either tiptoed or stormed into your thing, saying, “I dare you to make me feel comfortable here.” But you did.

KARIN: I’m so glad you took the leap!

Tell me, how did the collaboration between you and Hawk come to be?

HAWK KOCH: Well, for years, I've been making films and was always telling stories about stuff that happened. Everybody would say to me, “Would you please write these down? We can't lose these great stories.” And so, I tried a couple of times and it never went anywhere.

KARIN: What did ‘trying’ look like for you?

HAWK: There was a guy whom I worked with for a little bit and it faded. And then I spoke at a couple of places and people were really inspired. I gave the commencement address at Chapman University, the Dodge School of Film, about six years ago. So I went and met with an agent and said, “Hey, can I get any jobs as a speaker?” And they said, “Well, have you got a book?” And I said, “Well, no.” He said, “If you've got a book, maybe you have chance.”

So, I asked the best writer I knew if she'd work with me. We were going to take a trip up to Oregon, and it was a 10 hour drive up the 5 freeway. I had written down every movie that I had worked on starting in 1965. As we drove, Molly had a tape recorder and she'd say, “All right, so this movie,” and I'd talk about that movie, stories that happened on that movie and what was happening in my personal life at the time. And then Molly came home and transcribed it and worked on it.

Being the certified Jungian analyst that she is, she really understood me. I tell everybody who is a producer, find yourself a certified Jungian analyst to get married to. Maybe you'll have a chance.

And then we got serious about two years ago and said, “Alright, we're going to finish this.” She'd write and then I’d revise or talk to her, and then she'd write. She's the only person I know who can ask the most delicate personal questions and people just answer. It's unbelievable. She would ask me, “How do you feel about this and that?” It was like I was in session with her.

Then somebody told us, “You've got to have an editor.” So, we went out and called a couple of people. We found an editor who wasn't very good, who gave us like five notes. It was ridiculous. Then I suggested a literary agent at CAA who was the first woman to be an agent at Creative Artists in the 1970s.

KARIN: Who was that?

HAWK: Her name was Amy Grossman, now Amy Bookman. She’d known me since 1982 or something. And she's tough. She's from Brooklyn and she's a tough New Yorker. She and Molly kind of ganged up on me.

KARIN: In what way?

HAWK: Two against one. “You can't tell that,” or “You'd have to tell that story.” “Wait a minute, Hawk, I know you and you did this or you did that.” They kind of called me on my shit.

KARIN: What does that mean?

HAWK: I've been married many times and there were certain moments that were so hurtful and painful to me, but they said, “Wait a minute, think about her and what was she going through at that moment.” We had to look at both sides of something like that.

MOLLY: And imagine it as though she were reading the book.

HAWK: So, Amy really did a lot of work, and then we gave it to my three children. I didn't want to publish something that they would feel uncomfortable about. We got different reactions from each one of them.

KARIN: Did they have amendments?

HAWK: Very minor.

MOLLY: We wanted them to feel comfortable. So, we did everything they said, which wasn't much because we had really tried to do that anyway.

HAWK: Then since I'm represented by an agency here in town, I asked, “Do you have a book agent?” I sent it to the book agent and he called me back like a week later and said, “Wow, it's really good.” And I thought, “Oh great, thank you.” He said, “But you know, movie books about the movie business, it's really hard to get a publisher. I'll send it out to three or four publishers and we'll see what we get back.”

And I said, “But it's not just a book about movies. It's a book about fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, mothers and sons.” A week later he called back and said, “Hey, I think we've got one.” We had a publisher, Post Hill Press. They're distributed by Simon & Schuster.

KARIN: That’s amazing, how easily and quickly you landed a publisher.

Can you share more details about how you worked together? Writing is hard work, not to mention that you’re married.

HAWK: She learned a lot.

MOLLY: It was a big undertaking and honestly, I didn't know if I could do it. I've never written a book before. I've been in your writing group, which by the way, Karin, gave me the confidence to think, “Okay, I could take this on.”

Hawk is so wired in the world. He's never asked me for anything. He doesn't need much from me at all. So, when he asked me to do it, I thought, I want to do it if I can. And so, I took it really seriously and I knew that it was going to be challenging sometimes and that yeah, that it would challenge my ego. But if I stayed true to what is in the best interest of this book, kind of like he does on a movie, then I could do it.

I would write all day sometimes and then give him pages. He was also really good about saying, “Have you got…?” you know, “Hand it over.” We had conversations we've never had before, and I asked him questions I would never have thought to ask him otherwise. I think we got much closer through it.

KARIN: How did you find the structure for it?

MOLLY: That's a really good question, because we did work with some other people initially who had techniques for that. I soon found for me that they didn't work. For example, one thing I tried was the Hero's Journey. That just didn't work. So there was really no solid structure until it just became obvious. Hawk started by putting a chronology together of all the movies and then plugging in where his personal life was at that time. So, it became more of an autobiography.

KARIN: Were you following any kind of emotional journey or arc?

MOLLY: What I had in my mind was, can he evolve from a character who doesn't know who he is, to someone who discovers who he is?

HAWK: I had to start at the beginning.

KARIN: What was your writing and editing process like?

MOLLY: I've never written a book, but I have written things. My process is really to go over it—over and over and over—I think because I'm an analyst. There's this image in alchemical texts where you take a piece of clothing and you rinse it and you rinse it and you rinse it and you rinse it and you rinse it… until it's clean. And I did that over and over and over again. I wish I had done it more to tell you the truth. I wish I'd had more time to do it.

KARIN: How do you know when you're done rinsing?

MOLLY: It's a gut thing. I know it when I hear it. I am picky about every word and every sentence. So I get a flinch if something just doesn't seem to meet what I'm trying to say or the right word. I do know it when I’ve found it, but it takes a lot of rinsing.

KARIN: Do you take a break between those rinses?

MOLLY: Yes. That would make me crazy, if I didn't get away from it for a long time. Sometimes days or weeks.

I listened to this Krista Tippett interview with Mary Oliver, and Mary Oliver said this amazing thing, which was really helpful and continues to be helpful to me. She said that there is a poet in her. She said she goes to meet that poet every day and if that poet has something to say to her, she writes it down. She said there is no expectation because she may not speak to her, but she wants the poet to trust her enough to know that Mary is going to be there if this is a time when you have something to say. And so she showed up whether or not she got anything, but there wasn't a judgment about not getting anything.

So that really helped, understanding that some days you sit there and nothing comes or it sucks. Somehow that made all that okay. Because another time you go in to meet that writer, to let that writer know you're there, and she speaks differently. That was really helpful for me.

KARIN: What kind of notes did the publisher have?

HAWK: The book now is about 80,000 words, but we had about 110,000 words. When the managing editor of the publisher said, “You've got to get it down,” we thought, “Oh my God, how are we going to cut out 25,000 words?”

KARIN: Did they have recommendations for you?

MOLLY: They said, “You take a first pass.” So we did, and we managed to do it.

KARIN: What did you cut?

MOLLY: Stories.

HAWK: Lots of stories that are in my briefcase right now.

KARIN: Stories that weren't necessary for moving the story forward?

MOLLY: That's right. That was the criteria.

HAWK: The reason I asked Molly to write it with me, was because I knew how great her writing was. I also had an ulterior motive, which Molly knows, which was, Molly had an unbelievable childhood, and I don't mean a happy one.

MOLLY: Can we please get past the depressing mother stuff?

HAWK: I really wanted Molly to write her story. So now, I'm happy to say because of the positive feedback that we've gotten, Molly is now writing her stuff.

KARIN: That’s very exciting. How do you feel about it?

MOLLY: I alternate between feeling, “Why am I doing this?” and “I'm so glad I'm doing this.” Some days I just think, “What is this? Where's this structure?” But I just keep showing up because I have learned from this process, and I'm getting more comfortable with saying, “I'm a writer.” The more that I can believe that, the more I'm okay whether something comes or doesn't, because that part won't change.

It's brand new for me to start writing. I took a big break after finishing Hawk’s book and then getting through what comes with publishing it. So I've only just started, probably in the last month or so. So it's just brand new puzzle pieces at this point, with no thread.

KARIN: Are you re-visiting your previous work, or are you exploring new territory in your writing?

MOLLY: Yes and yes. I am re-visiting some of those stories that I’d written. I'm looking at them with different eyes and changing them and keeping some of them. Also what is coming, are stories that come to mind. To be specific about the physicality of it, I started a notebook, which I didn't do with Hawk’s book. I have a section with the heading ‘story ideas’ or ‘stories to include’. Stuff I've already written, little notes, writing notes and things like that.

Someone recently said, “Don't commit to the project, commit to the writer.” That was very liberating because every time I get trapped with, “What is this going to turn out to be?” I just commit to the writer in that Mary Oliver kind of way. Just go in there and show up—and the rest… figure it out later or don't.

KARIN: Do you find it harder to write your own story versus someone else’s?

MOLLY: Much more. It was difficult because it's someone else's story, but my own value didn't really enter into it as it does now. I'm just back in that process for my own sake, and I am really in that struggle of trying to find the value in it. When I hear that come up, I remind myself, “Do it for the writer, not the project.” But it is a struggle.

HAWK: The words “show up”—I show up. I show up for family, I show up for my friends, I show up for the business. And so I would say, if you're writing, show up. Don't find an excuse if this is what you love to do.



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Molly Jordan, Karin Gutman, Hawk Koch and Wendy Adamson

Molly Jordan, Karin Gutman, Hawk Koch and Wendy Adamson

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